11a The Emerging church



In this third presentation I looked at the 3rdth generation of Adventists post-1888 (4 generation since 1844), and how the church dealt with the questions we are looking at in this series, i.e.: (1) How did the church apply Ellen G. White’s comments in regard to 1888? (2) How did the church handle Ellen White’s endorsements of Jones and Waggoner? (3) Did the church deal accurately with the historical facts of 1888? 





For a more in-depth analysis of the work of the five main organizers of The ONE Project, see the first 10 PowerPoint presentations in this series, located at:  www.slideshare.net/ronduff or  http://thegreatcontroversy.info/power-point-presentations.html



 The One Project has since moved to Bolder CO, and these web statements are no longer posted online. 











Pastor Torres has since suggested that his article was meant only to “generate a level of understanding between those who are opposed to the 1P and those who are for it so that we could talk about any present issues from a platform of trust instead of suspicion” and that he did not state that “One Project is the 21st centuries equivalent to the 1888 message.”




For more information on the treatment of the 1888 history from the 1920s to 1950, see part 2 of a 3 part series of presentations shared with a small group at Andrews University October 10 and 11, 2014, dealing with the subject of 1888 and its aftermath. The presentations can be accessed at: http://www.gospelstudygroup.org/?page_id=626 



*The remaining summary paragraphs of the events that led up to Robert J. Wieland and Donald K. Short’s writing of 1888 Re-Examined are taken from a phone interview of Robert Wieland,  recorded and transcribed in 1978 by Bradley Roy Williams (Bradley Roy Williams, “Robert J. Wieland Before 1888 Re-examined, and Some of His Effect on Adventists,” A Report Presented in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Course CHIS 574, Development of Seventh-day Adventist Theology, Andrews University, Autumn 1978; Appendix K, “Wieland, Pre-1950,” pp. 1-8; http://www.andrews.edu/library/car/cardigital/digitized/documents/b10122114.pdf, accessed Oct. 2014), and a term paper by Evert F. Potgieter (Evert Frederick Potgieter, “Another Look at Wieland and Short” A Term Paper Presented in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Course CHIS 570, History of the Seventh-day Adventists Church, Andrews University, Spring, 1977, p. 1; http://www.andrews.edu/library/car/cardigital/digitized/documents/b10119826.pdf, accessed March 11, 2015)



To read The Glad Tidings by E. J. Waggoner click here.



Here in Wieland’s own words area the concepts that brought success in addressing the false revival Abalokole movement: The three angel’s message in the context of the cleansing of the sanctuary. 

(Robert J. Wieland, in Bradley Roy Williams, “Robert J. Wieland Before 1888 Re-examined, and Some of His Effect on Adventists,” A Report Presented in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Course CHIS 574, Development of Seventh-day Adventist Theology, Andrews University, Autumn 1978, Appendix K, “Wieland, Pre-1950,” p. 6; http://www.andrews.edu/library/car/cardigital/digitized/documents/b10122114.pdf, accessed Oct. 2014)



The above summary paragraphs of the events that led up to Robert J. Wieland and Donald K. Short’s writing of 1888 Re-Examined are taken from a phone interview of Robert Wieland,  recorded and transcribed in 1978 by Bradley Roy Williams.

To read The Glad Tidings by E. J. Waggoner click here.


In 1949 the Adventist Theological Seminary was located at WMC located in Tacoma Park, where Wieland and Short would pursue their Masters degrees in theology. 



Wieland’s wife stayed in Tennessee while he went to the seminary where he would spend his time reading and studying. 

READ THE 1893 GENERAL CONFERENCE BULLETIN HERE


To read The Glad Tidings by E. J. Waggoner click here.

READ THE 1893 GENERAL CONFERENCE BULLETIN HERE


In Wieland’s own words.

*(Robert J. Wieland, in Bradley Roy Williams, “Robert J. Wieland Before 1888 Re-examined, and Some of His Effect on Adventists,” A Report Presented in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Course CHIS 574, Development of Seventh-day Adventist Theology, Andrews University, Autumn 1978, Appendix K, “Wieland, Pre-1950,” pp. 7-8; http://www.andrews.edu/library/car/cardigital/digitized/documents/b10122114.pdf, accessed Oct. 2014) 




Vandeman was 33 years of age at the time.



READ THE 1893 GENERAL CONFERENCE BULLETIN HERE


*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_F%C3%A9nelon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannah_Whitall_Smith

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Stanley_Jones

Before we look at who E. Stanley Jones is, we will let Wieland describe these events in his own words.



In Wieland’s own words. 

*(Robert J. Wieland, in Bradley Roy Williams, “Robert J. Wieland Before 1888 Re-examined, and Some of His Effect on Adventists,” A Report Presented in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Course CHIS 574, Development of Seventh-day Adventist Theology, Andrews University, Autumn 1978, Appendix K, “Wieland, Pre-1950,” pp. 7-8; http://www.andrews.edu/library/car/cardigital/digitized/documents/b10122114.pdf, accessed Oct. 2014) 




Wieland would later quote from his seminary class lessons, noted in this slide, showing the mixing of statements from Ellen White alongside concepts from E. Stanley Jones and others.

We will now step aside briefly from Wieland and Short’s history to take a look at E. Stanley Jones.



“The Way to Power and Poise: A Guide to the Source of spiritual and physical well-being by the most-read religious writer of our time.” (front cover of book)



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*We now return to the story of Wieland and Short, and the 1949 Righteousness by faith class they were taking at the seminary, where concerns were raised over the teachings of E. Stanley Jones. 



Denton E. Rebok was President of the Seventh-day Adventist Theological Seminary at Washington Missionary College from 1943 to 1951, and Chair of the White Estate Board in 1952. 



*(Robert J. Wieland, in Bradley Roy Williams, “Robert J. Wieland Before 1888 Re-examined, and Some of His Effect on Adventists,” A Report Presented in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Course CHIS 574, Development of Seventh-day Adventist Theology, Andrews University, Autumn 1978, Appendix K, “Wieland, Pre-1950,” pp. 9, 10; http://www.andrews.edu/library/car/cardigital/digitized/documents/b10122114.pdf, accessed Oct. 2014)



READ THE 1893 GENERAL CONFERENCE BULLETIN HERE


*”[E. Stanley] Jones was more than just the inspiring evangelist, the gentle mystic, and the devotional writer I knew about.” - See more at: http://www.catalystresources.org/e-stanley-jones/#sthash.i7OxHyWI.dpuf


**(Robert J. Wieland, in Bradley Roy Williams, “Robert J. Wieland Before 1888 Re-examined, and Some of His Effect on Adventists,” A Report Presented in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Course CHIS 574, Development of Seventh-day Adventist Theology, Andrews University, Autumn 1978, Appendix K, “Wieland, Pre-1950,” p. 11; http://www.andrews.edu/library/car/cardigital/digitized/documents/b10122114.pdf, accessed Oct. 2014)



The Ellen G. White Estate had been moved to the General Conference Office in Jan. 1938, following the death of W. C. White. 



*The person Wieland was dealing with at the White Estate at the time was D. E. Robinson, the main responder to Taylor G. Bunch’s week of prayer series on 1888 at PUC in 1930 (see, “Two Rivers of Thought Flowing Out of 1888,” Part 2; http://www.gospelstudygroup.org/?page_id=626)



*(Robert J. Wieland, in Bradley Roy Williams, “Robert J. Wieland Before 1888 Re-examined, and Some of His Effect on Adventists,” A Report Presented in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Course CHIS 574, Development of Seventh-day Adventist Theology, Andrews University, Autumn 1978, Appendix K, “Wieland, Pre-1950,” pp. 12, 13; http://www.andrews.edu/library/car/cardigital/digitized/documents/b10122114.pdf, accessed Oct. 2014)



*Wieland contacted men such as J. S. Washburn, F. C. White, S. A. Welman, Claud Holmes,  and Lewis A. Hansen, etc. 



Then in Feb. 1950, Ministry Magazine, published a book review of the newest E. Stanley Jones book, “The Way to Power and Poise,” (published 1949), recommending the book to all Seventh-day Adventists. The reviewer was a popular Evangelist at the time and the same teacher of the class over which Wieland had been expelled from the Seminary.



https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archives/1950/MIN1950-02.pdf



*(Robert J. Wieland, in Bradley Roy Williams, “Robert J. Wieland Before 1888 Re-examined, and Some of His Effect on Adventists,” A Report Presented in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Course CHIS 574, Development of Seventh-day Adventist Theology, Andrews University, Autumn 1978, Appendix K, “Wieland, Pre-1950,” p. 17; http://www.andrews.edu/library/car/cardigital/digitized/documents/b10122114.pdf, accessed Oct. 2014)



*(Robert J. Wieland, in Bradley Roy Williams, “Robert J. Wieland Before 1888 Re-examined, and Some of His Effect on Adventists,” A Report Presented in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Course CHIS 574, Development of Seventh-day Adventist Theology, Andrews University, Autumn 1978, Appendix K, “Wieland, Pre-1950,” p. 17; http://www.andrews.edu/library/car/cardigital/digitized/documents/b10122114.pdf, accessed Oct. 2014)


“The prince of darkness, who has so long bent the powers of his mastermind to the work of deception, skillfully adapts his temptations to men of all classes and conditions. To persons of culture and refinement he presents spiritualism in its more refined and intellectual aspects, and thus succeeds in drawing many into his snare. The wisdom which spiritualism imparts is that described by the apostle James, which "descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish." James 3:15. This, however, the great deceiver conceals when concealment will best suit his purpose. He who could appear clothed with the brightness of the heavenly seraphs before Christ in the wilderness of temptation, comes to men in the most attractive manner as an angel of light. He appeals to the reason by the presentation of elevating themes; he delights the fancy with enrapturing scenes; and he enlists the affections by his eloquent portrayals of love and charity….

“Satan beguiles men now as he beguiled Eve in Eden by flattery, by kindling a desire to obtain forbidden knowledge, by exciting ambition for self-exaltation. It was cherishing these evils that caused his fall, and through them he aims to compass the ruin of men. ‘Ye shall be as gods,’ he declares, ‘knowing good and evil.’ Genesis 3:5. Spiritualism teaches ‘that man is the creature of progression; that it is his destiny from his birth to progress, even to eternity, toward the Godhead.’ And again: ‘Each mind will judge itself and not another.’ ‘The judgment will be right, because it is the judgment of self. . . . The throne is within you.’ Said a spiritualistic teacher, as the ‘spiritual consciousness’ awoke within him: ‘My fellow men, all were unfallen demigods.’ And another declares: ‘Any just and perfect being is Christ.’” (Ellen G. White, Great Controversy, pp. 553-554)


 “I have seen the results of these fanciful views of God, in apostasy, spiritualism, and free-lovism. The free love tendency of these teachings was so concealed that at first it was difficult to make plain its real character. Until the Lord presented it to me, I knew not what to call it, but I was instructed to call it unholy spiritual love.”  (Ellen G. White, Testimonies, vol. 8, p. 292) 



*(Robert J. Wieland, in Bradley Roy Williams, “Robert J. Wieland Before 1888 Re-examined, and Some of His Effect on Adventists,” A Report Presented in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Course CHIS 574, Development of Seventh-day Adventist Theology, Andrews University, Autumn 1978, Appendix K, “Wieland, Pre-1950,” p. 16; http://www.andrews.edu/library/car/cardigital/digitized/documents/b10122114.pdf, accessed Oct. 2014)

**http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Vandeman 



*(Robert J. Wieland, in Bradley Roy Williams, “Robert J. Wieland Before 1888 Re-examined, and Some of His Effect on Adventists,” A Report Presented in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Course CHIS 574, Development of Seventh-day Adventist Theology, Andrews University, Autumn 1978, Appendix K, “Wieland, Pre-1950,” pp. 16, 17; http://www.andrews.edu/library/car/cardigital/digitized/documents/b10122114.pdf, accessed Oct. 2014)



In April 1950, the Review and Herald ran an editorial article title “The Spreading Cloud of Mysticism,” written by W. A. Spicer, former General Conference president from 1922 to 1930.



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http://docs.adventistarchives.org/docs/RH/RH19500406-V127-14__B.pdf#view=fit





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*(Robert J. Wieland, in Bradley Roy Williams, “Robert J. Wieland Before 1888 Re-examined, and Some of His Effect on Adventists,” A Report Presented in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Course CHIS 574, Development of Seventh-day Adventist Theology, Andrews University, Autumn 1978, Appendix K, “Wieland, Pre-1950,” pp. 17, 18; http://www.andrews.edu/library/car/cardigital/digitized/documents/b10122114.pdf, accessed Oct. 2014)



*(Robert J. Wieland, in Bradley Roy Williams, “Robert J. Wieland Before 1888 Re-examined, and Some of His Effect on Adventists,” A Report Presented in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Course CHIS 574, Development of Seventh-day Adventist Theology, Andrews University, Autumn 1978, Appendix K, “Wieland, Pre-1950,” p. 18; http://www.andrews.edu/library/car/cardigital/digitized/documents/b10122114.pdf, accessed Oct. 2014)



Spicer did finally write another appeal published in the Review, Nov. 1950 (after the summer General Conference, which Spicer said everyone would be distracted with if he wrote sooner)



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http://docs.adventistarchives.org/docs/RH/RH19501109-V127-53__B.pdf#view=fit

 

*Spicer mentioned several times throughout his article the illustration of a divine “Pilot” which was needed to help direct the ship safely to the heavenly port. He no doubt was referring to Ellen White’s statement, which he quoted, found in Testimonies, volume 5, where she states, ‘We need a pilot on board now; for we are nearing the harbor’ (p. 105). But Spicer may also have been working off of the illustration that Uriah Smith used years before when writing about the purpose and gift of the Spirit of Prophecy God had given to the church:  ”One illustration may help to set this matter in a still clearer light. Suppose we are about to start upon a voyage. The owner of the vessel gives us a book of directions, telling us that it contains instructions sufficient for our whole journey, and that if we will heed them, we shall reach in safety our port of destination. Setting sail we open our book to learn its contents. We find that its author lays down general principles to govern us in our voyage, and instructs us as far as practicable, touching the various contingencies that may arise, till the end; but he also tells us that the latter part of our journey will be especially perilous; that the features of the coast are ever changing by reason of quicksands and tempests; ‘but for this part of the journey,’ says he, ‘I have provided you a pilot, who will meet you, and give you such directions as the surrounding circumstances and dangers may require; and to him you must give heed.’ With these directions we roach the perilous time specified, and the pilot, according to promise, appears. But some of the crew, as he offers his services, rise up against him. ‘We have the original book of directions,’ say they, ‘and that is enough for us. We stand upon that, and that alone ; we want nothing of you.’ Who now heed that original book of directions? Those who reject the pilot, or those who receive him, as that book instructs them? Judge ye.” (Uriah Smith, “Do we Discard the Bible by Endorsing the Visions?” Review and Herald, Jan. 13, 1863, p. 52). 


Much has changed in 63 years when one considers the current editorial policy at the Review. See: Eric Anderson, “What is a Mystic? Seeking Companionship With Christ,” Adventist Review, Jan. 10, 2013, pp. 16-20; and, Bill Knott, “Reclaiming the Library,” Editorial,Adventist Review, March 14, 2013, p. 6, a response written after many letters of concern were sent to the Review in regard to Anderson’s article in support of mysticism and the recommending of mystical non-Adventist authors. For more information, see, Ron Duffield, “The Emerging One Project?” PowerPoint presentation number 10, slides 57 to 83, at: www.slideshare.net/ronduff



The Forty-sixth General Conference session was to take place July 10-22, 1950, at the Civic Auditorium in San Francisco, California. Donald K. Short and Robert J. Wieland were to be delegates to the General Conference representing the East African Union Mission.  

Pictures found:

http://documents.adventistarchives.org/Periodicals/RH/RH19500706-V127-27.pdf

http://docs.adventistarchives.org/docs/GCB/GCB1950-03/index.djvu  (GCB, RH July 12, 1950)

http://docs.adventistarchives.org/docs/GCB/GCB1950-07/index.djvu (GCB, RH July 19, 1950)

See also: http://docs.adventistarchives.org/docs/RH/RH19500706-V127-27__B/index.djvu



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*(Robert J. Wieland, in Bradley Roy Williams, “Robert J. Wieland Before 1888 Re-examined, and Some of His Effect on Adventists,” A Report Presented in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Course CHIS 574, Development of Seventh-day Adventist Theology, Andrews University, Autumn 1978, Appendix K, “Wieland, Pre-1950,” p. 18; http://www.andrews.edu/library/car/cardigital/digitized/documents/b10122114.pdf, accessed Oct. 2014)




http://documents.adventistarchives.org/Periodicals/GCSessionBulletins/GCB1950-01.pdf, pp. 1, 2, 15

http://documents.adventistarchives.org/Periodicals/RH/RH19500824-V127-42.pdf, p. 4



READ THE 1893 GENERAL CONFERENCE BULLETIN HERE


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READ THE 1893 GENERAL CONFERENCE BULLETIN HERE

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**(Robert J. Wieland, in Bradley Roy Williams, “Robert J. Wieland Before 1888 Re-examined, and Some of His Effect on Adventists,” A Report Presented in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Course CHIS 574, Development of Seventh-day Adventist Theology, Andrews University, Autumn 1978, Appendix K, “Wieland, Pre-1950,” p. 19; http://www.andrews.edu/library/car/cardigital/digitized/documents/b10122114.pdf, accessed Oct. 2014)



“The inspiration of these beginning days found climax in the Sabbath morning service preceding the conference, when L. K. Dickson, vice-president of the General Conference, spoke to 1,200 workers in the First Congregational church on the necessity of a deeper knowledge of God. The response was spontaneous and the consecration of the hour carried over into all subsequent meetings.” (H. M. Tippett, “The Spiritual Appeal of the Great Mid-century General Conference Session,” Review and Herald, Aug. 24, 1950, p. 5)



*(Robert J. Wieland, in Bradley Roy Williams, “Robert J. Wieland Before 1888 Re-examined, and Some of His Effect on Adventists,” A Report Presented in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Course CHIS 574, Development of Seventh-day Adventist Theology, Andrews University, Autumn 1978, Appendix K, “Wieland, Pre-1950,” pp. 19-20; http://www.andrews.edu/library/car/cardigital/digitized/documents/b10122114.pdf, accessed Oct. 2014)



The Forty-sixth General Conference session was to take place July 10-22, 1950, at the Civic Auditorium in San Francisco, California. Donald K. Short and Robert J. Wieland were to be delegates to the General Conference representing the East African Union Mission.  



McElhany was General Conference President 1936-1950. 

* (Robert J. Wieland and Donald K. Short, Faith on Trial [Self-published; 1993], p. 7)

**(Robert J. Wieland, in Bradley Roy Williams, “Robert J. Wieland Before 1888 Re-examined, and Some of His Effect on Adventists,” A Report Presented in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Course CHIS 574, Development of Seventh-day Adventist Theology, Andrews University, Autumn 1978, Appendix K, “Wieland, Pre-1950,” p. 19; http://www.andrews.edu/library/car/cardigital/digitized/documents/b10122114.pdf, accessed Oct. 2014)



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McElhany’s farewell address: http://documents.adventistarchives.org/Periodicals/RH/RH19500714-V127-30.pdf



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McElhany’s farewell address: http://documents.adventistarchives.org/Periodicals/RH/RH19500714-V127-30.pdf



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McElhany’s farewell address: http://documents.adventistarchives.org/Periodicals/RH/RH19500714-V127-30.pdf



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http://documents.adventistarchives.org/Periodicals/GCSessionBulletins/GCB1950-05.pdf p. 128



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*(Robert J. Wieland, in Bradley Roy Williams, “Robert J. Wieland Before 1888 Re-examined, and Some of His Effect on Adventists,” A Report Presented in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Course CHIS 574, Development of Seventh-day Adventist Theology, Andrews University, Autumn 1978, Appendix K, “Wieland, Pre-1950,” p. 21; http://www.andrews.edu/library/car/cardigital/digitized/documents/b10122114.pdf, accessed Oct. 2014)



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*“There has been a departure from God among us, and the zealous work of repentance and return to our first love essential to restoration to God and regeneration of heart has not yet been done. Infidelity has been making its inroads into our ranks; for it is the fashion to depart from Christ, and give place to skepticism. With many the cry of the heart has been, ‘We will not have this man to reign over us.’ Baal, Baal, is the choice. The religion of many among us will be the religion of apostate Israel, because they love their own way, and forsake the way of the Lord. The true religion, the only religion of the Bible, that teaches forgiveness only through the merits of a crucified and risen Saviour, that advocates righteousness by the faith of the Son of God, has been slighted, spoken against, ridiculed, and rejected. It has been denounced as leading to enthusiasm and fanaticism. But it is the life of Jesus Christ in the soul, it is the active principle of love imparted by the Holy Spirit, that alone will make the soul fruitful unto good works. The love of Christ is the force and power of every message for God that ever fell from human lips. What kind of a future is before us if we shall fail to come into the unity of the faith?” (Ellen G. White to The General Conference,” Letter 24, Oct. 1889; in 1888 Materials, pp. 444-445, 955; Testimonies to Ministers, pp. 468-469).


“Baal will be the purpose, the faith, the religion of a sorrowful number among us, because they choose their own way instead of God's way. The true religion, the only religion of the Bible--believing in the forgiveness of sins, the righteousness of Christ, and the blood of the Lamb-- has been not only slighted and spoken against, ridiculed, and criticised, but suspicions and jealousies have been created, leading into fanaticism and atheism.” (Ellen G. White, Manuscript 40, Nov. 3, 1890; in 1888 Materials, p. 948)


“History is being repeated. The world today has its Ahabs and its Jezebels. The present age is one of idolatry, as verily as was that in which Elijah lived. No outward shrine may be visible; there may be no image for the eye to rest upon; yet thousands are following after the gods of this world--after riches, fame, pleasure, and the pleasing fables that permit man to follow the inclinations of the unregenerate heart. Multitude have a wrong conception of God and His attributes, and are as truly serving a false god as were the worshipers of Baal. Many even of those who claim to be Christians have allied themselves with influences that are unalterably opposed to God and His truth. Thus they are led to turn away from the divine and to exalt the human.”  (Ellen G. White, Prophets and Kings, pp. 177-178). 


 “The plan proposed by Balaam was to separate them from God by enticing them into idolatry. If they could be led to engage in the licentious worship of Baal and Ashtaroth, their omnipotent Protector would become their enemy, and they would soon fall a prey to the fierce, warlike nations around them. This plan was readily accepted by the king, and Balaam himself remained to assist in carrying it into effect.” (Ellen G. White, Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 451)


“Yet this apostasy, widespread as it has come to be, is not universal. Not all in the world are lawless and sinful; not all have taken sides with the enemy. God has many thousands who have not bowed the knee to Baal, many who long to understand more fully in regard to Christ and the law, many who are hoping against hope that Jesus will come soon to end the reign of sin and death. And there are many who have been worshiping Baal ignorantly, but with whom the Spirit of God is still striving.” (Ellen G. White, Prophets and Kings, p. 171).


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